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Posted by Pedro Matos
- October 04, 2022, 08:04:24 PMThank you so much for your observations, Bruce! All the best!
Posted by Bruce Anderton
- October 04, 2022, 06:15:47 PMThe "E" stamped on the bar is unusual and I have not seen this before. Normally the month and year of assembly (not manufacture) is stamped, i.e. 10/66 for October 1966; thus it may be a replacement part.
The year marking 1966 on your motor would be logical, but again there is no guarantee that it is the one originally supplied with the machine.
One thing is for sure—in that year L&M were building and selling lots of Model 78s!
The year marking 1966 on your motor would be logical, but again there is no guarantee that it is the one originally supplied with the machine.
One thing is for sure—in that year L&M were building and selling lots of Model 78s!
Posted by Pedro Matos
- October 03, 2022, 05:46:44 PMHi, @Achilles Tzallas. Thank you!
Here are some photos.
This is 11◊491
This is 9◊383
Here are some photos.
This is 11◊491
This is 9◊383
Posted by Pedro Matos
- October 03, 2022, 05:42:37 PMThank you @Bruce Anderton. We have found this. Could this be a second (not original) distributor bar?
And the date on the motor (1966). Do you think this can be original?
And the date on the motor (1966). Do you think this can be original?
Posted by Achilles Tzallas
- September 21, 2022, 08:46:17 PMHello Pedro,
This is the first time I see this Greek typeface!
It is also the first time I see polytonic Greek two-letter mats which combine upright with italic.
(This is because polytonic Greek requires more than 180 "glyphs", so there is not enough space in a 90-channel magazine for two scripts.)
Perhaps this was a special order; if you could provide a photo with more letters, perhaps I would be able to tell you which foundry type it is based on.
Achilles
This is the first time I see this Greek typeface!
It is also the first time I see polytonic Greek two-letter mats which combine upright with italic.
(This is because polytonic Greek requires more than 180 "glyphs", so there is not enough space in a 90-channel magazine for two scripts.)
Perhaps this was a special order; if you could provide a photo with more letters, perhaps I would be able to tell you which foundry type it is based on.
Achilles
Posted by Bruce Anderton
- September 21, 2022, 08:37:43 PM@Pedro Matos The distributor bar is the V-bar right at the top of the machine which the matrices run along before dropping back into the magazine. If you pull open the cover which has the division bars which guide the matrices into their correct channels, then you should be able to see the numbers, which are usually centrally-placed, stamped into the straight edge on this bar.
Posted by Pedro Matos
- September 16, 2022, 08:27:16 PMAbout the Monotypes:
Sallie Morris, from The Type Archive, is looking for information about the 2 Super Casters.
Thanks again for your support,
Pedro
Sallie Morris, from The Type Archive, is looking for information about the 2 Super Casters.
Thanks again for your support,
Pedro
Posted by Pedro Matos
- September 16, 2022, 08:26:49 PMAbout the 45 degree square code:
Dave Hughes as already confirmed that those are L&M mats. Great.
Nonetheless, we have Greek characters and would like to identify the exact typeface.
If anyone might have a list of codes and its matching faces, it would be excellent.
Dave Hughes as already confirmed that those are L&M mats. Great.
Nonetheless, we have Greek characters and would like to identify the exact typeface.
If anyone might have a list of codes and its matching faces, it would be excellent.
Posted by Pedro Matos
- September 16, 2022, 08:24:40 PMAbout the E coded mats:
Another distinctive aspect of these mats is the red reference and font identification marks.
The faces look like Univers 57 Condensed and 67 Bold Condensed. According to the book "Adrian Frutiger Typefaces. The Complete Works", edited by Swiss Foundation Type and Typography, there were three versions of Univers for Line-casting machines: Matrotype (1967), Neotype (n/d) and Mergenthaler Linotype (1974). Considering these hypotheses:
Does anyone knows if Matrotype and/or Neotype have produced Linotype compatible matrices?
And/or Mergenthaler Linotype has used some other way of encoding, in the 1970s?
The other hypotesis is that the typeface is not Univers, but very similar or a copy. In that case, other possibilities appear...
Another distinctive aspect of these mats is the red reference and font identification marks.
The faces look like Univers 57 Condensed and 67 Bold Condensed. According to the book "Adrian Frutiger Typefaces. The Complete Works", edited by Swiss Foundation Type and Typography, there were three versions of Univers for Line-casting machines: Matrotype (1967), Neotype (n/d) and Mergenthaler Linotype (1974). Considering these hypotheses:
Does anyone knows if Matrotype and/or Neotype have produced Linotype compatible matrices?
And/or Mergenthaler Linotype has used some other way of encoding, in the 1970s?
The other hypotesis is that the typeface is not Univers, but very similar or a copy. In that case, other possibilities appear...
Posted by Pedro Matos
- September 16, 2022, 08:22:51 PMAbout the Simoncini mats:
Special thanks to Phillip Driscoll, David Bolton and Dave Hughes for providing the matrix codes from Officine Simoncini. Meanwhile I had access to one (undated) Specimen Book from Simoncini and I can add a few details to the code list posted above:
Y Greek italic
19 Calligraphic caps
22 Etruscan
CIR Cyrillic characters (the code appears after the "regular" code, happening with Aster, Beograd and Selene typefaces)
In this Specimen Book there are many more special characters (math, music, meteo, etc.), each group with a code.
The face Permanent Condensed is advertised but uncoded.
Aparently, there are at least 2 specimen books published by the Officine (if not the same using different covers), both undated. We can see the covers here: http://www.griffoggl.com/en/il-metodo-simoncini/catalogo-caratteri-officine-simoncini/
and here:
http://www.klingspor-museum.de/KlingsporKuenstler/Schriftdesigner/Simoncini/FSimoncini.pdf
(or here: https://articles.c-a-s-t.com/behind-simoncinis-glasses-347612482416, in an article by one of the curators of the 2017 exhibition about the company)
Special thanks to Phillip Driscoll, David Bolton and Dave Hughes for providing the matrix codes from Officine Simoncini. Meanwhile I had access to one (undated) Specimen Book from Simoncini and I can add a few details to the code list posted above:
Y Greek italic
19 Calligraphic caps
22 Etruscan
CIR Cyrillic characters (the code appears after the "regular" code, happening with Aster, Beograd and Selene typefaces)
In this Specimen Book there are many more special characters (math, music, meteo, etc.), each group with a code.
The face Permanent Condensed is advertised but uncoded.
Aparently, there are at least 2 specimen books published by the Officine (if not the same using different covers), both undated. We can see the covers here: http://www.griffoggl.com/en/il-metodo-simoncini/catalogo-caratteri-officine-simoncini/
and here:
http://www.klingspor-museum.de/KlingsporKuenstler/Schriftdesigner/Simoncini/FSimoncini.pdf
(or here: https://articles.c-a-s-t.com/behind-simoncinis-glasses-347612482416, in an article by one of the curators of the 2017 exhibition about the company)
Posted by Pedro Matos
- September 16, 2022, 08:21:34 PMSorry about my delayed replay. And thank you all for your precious contributions!
About the Linotype age:
@Bruce Anderton :
we looked at the distributor bar but didn't find any numbers. Might we didn't see well? Is it possible for you to show a picture where we could see the right place? Or is it possible that the date might it be in some other place else?
There is tag with a date on the motor: 2/69. But we are not sure if the motor is original. What do you think?
About the Linotype age:
@Bruce Anderton :
we looked at the distributor bar but didn't find any numbers. Might we didn't see well? Is it possible for you to show a picture where we could see the right place? Or is it possible that the date might it be in some other place else?
There is tag with a date on the motor: 2/69. But we are not sure if the motor is original. What do you think?
Posted by Bruce Anderton
- September 14, 2022, 04:23:57 PM"Altrincham-made Intertypes" is a contradiction in terms, as of course such machines were made at Slough (until the very last days, when L&M took over the Intertype hot metal business). And in 1949 the Model 78 had not even been thought of!
Posted by Dave Hughes
- September 14, 2022, 08:16:57 AMQuote from: Bill Nairn on September 14, 2022, 01:17:54 AMShipping dates for Altrincham-made Intertypes, say that machine was shipped out around January 1949.
Are you sure Bill? Information I've seen online says the "Seventy" series of Linotypes was introduced in 1959.
Posted by Bill Nairn
- September 14, 2022, 01:17:54 AMShipping dates for Altrincham-made Intertypes, say that machine was shipped out around January 1949.
Posted by Bruce Anderton
- September 13, 2022, 07:13:33 PMIf you look at the distributor bar on the Model 78 there should be the month and year of manufacture stamped in the middle of it.
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